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GenericSoldier - Today at 1:49 AM

Hello, as a manager of the 59th's NWRP server and also a member of staff on the 59th's Jailbreak server, I was wondering if you could state what the policy on bigotry (racism, nazism, holocaust-denial, homophobia etc.) is on both servers?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 1:49 AM

People can say what they want so long as it doesn't violate the rules which are stated on the steam groups.

AKA write whatever you want so long as you don't spam

GenericSoldier - Today at 1:50 AM

So bigotry is allowed then?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 1:50 AM

So long as you don't spam it, anything is allowed.

GenericSoldier - Today at 1:50 AM

May I ask why bigotry is allowed?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 1:50 AM

Why should we ban it? People can mute others themselves. We're not here to police what you say or think. We're here to police your actions.

If you have a problem with smoeone there's a mute funciton in game.

GenericSoldier - Today at 1:52 AM

The more bigotry there is, the more it becomes normalised. If being racist, or denying the holocaust is seen as acceptable, then more people will partake in it.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 1:52 AM

Who cares?

If you feel hurt by words then NW isn't the community for you. It's really cancerous in that respec.t

It's literally full of kids trying to get "dank frags" etc.

GenericSoldier - Today at 1:54 AM

Racism discriminates against members of your server, homophobia discriminates against members of your server. As a server, would you not prefer to have an environment which isn't as 'cancerous' as you put it.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 1:54 AM

We've got black admins who don't care. We've got asian admins who don't care. We have gay admins that don't care.

That's just the kind of game this is.

Rules since the server was founded has allowed racism in a historical sense i.e "The Frogs are advancing" referring to french etc

and historical names such as mao or napoleon

who did tremendous war crimes

GenericSoldier - Today at 1:57 AM

I imagine there might be plenty of people that do care. People that have been offended, people that have felt insulted and people that have been disgusted by the bigotry that is allowed. Of course, some might stay and even become admins, and they might be fine with it. That doesn't mean that people don't care.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 1:57 AM

Okay then, look at it this way

What right do you have to dictate what others will say? They could feel that your control over them is offending them.

You're telling them that they're too stupid to know what to say and think.

Servers such as Minisiege adhere to chatrules, if you're looking for a more "friendly" server, but thanks for coming to me anyway.

I think minisiege is only one that does it

atm

GenericSoldier - Today at 1:59 AM

Bigotry has discriminated against billions of people, it has affected billions of people. Why should bigots be given a voice when bigotry is so dangerous?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:00 AM

Being called a mean name in a chat for a 5 year old game doesn't even hurt anyone.

Who's been hurt the most from Napoleonic Wars? Jon Prices reputation?

If you want to continue this convosation with members of the community, feel free to make a thread on www.59th.phy.sx or www.sagt.nu

Unless you wanted to talk more here?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:02 AM

I've talked to two members of staff here, so I think I've got a clear picture of the server's position. I'm assuming that there are no rules about bigotry on the Jailbreak server either?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:03 AM

Last time they had rules about it was 2015

Some admins tried to coup the server because the server Owner was a member of UKIP

and then they removed the rules ever since

since the coup fialed

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:03 AM

Out of interest, why do you ban spam? It's not like that hurts anyone either?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:03 AM

Because it's annoying to read and can lock the chat

someone just going f

f

f

F

etc

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:04 AM

I'm sure many people found racism, homophobia etc. annoying and even offensive to read though.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:04 AM

difference is that spam doesn't even add anything to a convosation.

At least with racism you could respond to it

what can you say to some guy spamming "f" in the chat other than "stfu or btfo"?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:06 AM

But if I respond to a racist there's a good chance they won't respond either, or just become more racist.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:07 AM

It still adds to the convosation though.

If they don't respond there's nothing you can do about thta.

But if they're just saying "nigger nigger nigger" 24/7 in chat

only nigger

or something

then

yeah they'll get baned

Also having it in the name

used to be punishable

idk if it still is

I just run the background of the server now

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:08 AM

I tried responding to a racist last night on a different server and it led to an hour-long debate where I was repeatedly insulted, called a 'liberal cuck' etc. Furthermore, their racism just got worst, one use of the n-word at me led on to an hour of holocaust denial, and people arguing that that every culture should be separated, with 'africans in Africa', etc.

*worse

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:09 AM

people like that complain SJW use race politics by using race politics themself

they're too far down the /pol/ rabbit hole to even bother

just ignore

same with people who think all men are pigs etc

too far down the r/feminism rabbithole

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:10 AM

Why should they be ignored? If they continue expressing these opinions, the opinion becomes normalised and the more people engage in it.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:10 AM

What? 20 people on a server?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:10 AM

NWRP has up to 200.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:11 AM

You do realise that the only reason there are so many peolpe like this on the internet is due to people like you censoring MSM and vidya?

The more you bring it up the more people will engage in it.

They just do it to annoy you.

And you always fall for it.

It's like how SJW movement sprung up because of Evangelical Christians in the 90s

and they came about because of Hippies in the 60's

etc

it all goes around in loops

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:12 AM

If /pol/ didn't exist, then there would be people going down its rabbit hole. Bigotry breeds bigotry.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:13 AM

What are you even talking about?

Pol didn't invent internet troll racism?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:14 AM

No-one starts out as a bigot, but if they encounter bigotry, then there is a reasonable chance that they will become one.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:14 AM

most of the internet trolls only do it because it's not the norm

That's why meme things like Kekistan are made fun of by the same people who supported it

Because it became too popular

That's why Occupy is mocked, even though they supported it.

Because it's too popular (and was infested by communists)

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:15 AM

I used to believe the racism that existed was ironic or a troll, but I refuse to believe that all the examples of racism that there now are are simply ironic.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:15 AM

I'd imagine that a lot of youths in Europe where the server is based has negative views on race due to recent events.

That's not going to change due to you arguing on a game.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:17 AM

Even if it was because of that, how has that caused anti-semitism or homophobia?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:17 AM

Anti-Semitism started because of irony, which then evolved into people actually taking it seriously.

It also has roots in many european cultures due to historical culture

The same with homo phobia - In the Bible it states that homosexuality is wrong because the nations which wrote it wanted more people to mate so they would have a higher population

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:18 AM

So you agree that something started ironically (like anti-semitism) can evolve into something more serious: real anti-semitism?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:19 AM

Yeah, but I still don't think it'll harm anyone.

You think these people have any power?

I'm not going to slit my wrists over someone calling me a fag.

I call myself a fag.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:20 AM

These are the kind of things that led to the rise in the alt-right, which led to the election of Donald Trump. So yes, I do believe it has an effect.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:20 AM

Anti-semitism is rife in the left as it is in ther ight, you know?

All commies hate jews.

It says in Capital

Mein-Kampf tier anti semitism

Labour MP's are all anti-semites.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:21 AM

I never said it was only the right that could be bigots, I'm just saying that these things have an impact.

If someone becomes a serious anti-semite or a serious racist, then they might discriminate against the next Jew or black person they meet in real life.

That has an effect.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:23 AM

Who does that?

Some retard sperg?

The people that do that are the kind of people that would beat their wives to death with a golf trophy

They're already mentally fucked.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:23 AM

If you're a racist you're going to discriminate against people of other racists.

At least at some level.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:24 AM

People say things on the internet because they're anonymous

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:24 AM

*races

People are more open on the internet, they are more willing to share what they really think. If I'm a racist on NWRP, then I'm still going to be a racist in real life, even if I'm not being as racist in real life.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:26 AM

So you want to police what people think inside of their head?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:27 AM

Except it's not just inside their head because they've said it on the internet.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:27 AM

Who cares about the internet?

I can watch 3 year old anime girls get fucked by giraffes on the internet.

Don't mean it's real.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:28 AM

Then, other people will be influenced by what they say, may become more racist themselves, and then become racist in real life.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:28 AM

And why is that my problem?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:28 AM

You admitted that ironic bigotry can become real bigotry, and that's got to have a real effect.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:28 AM

No.

I said that retards take the bait.

Look at soverign citizens.

Or flat earth.

They start off as jokes.

Then someone comes in

and falls for it

and everyone who made the joke

laughs at them

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:29 AM

But now they are serious flat-earthers, and that's not a good thing.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:29 AM

Yeah but everyone thinks they're autistic

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:30 AM

But they're still real people having a real impact.

A real racist, even if they became one because they took ironic racism seriously, will still discriminate in real life.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:31 AM

Okay.

But how can they?

What, are they gonna call someone a nigger?

A mean name?

So then if you call someone stupid is that as bad?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:32 AM

Insulting something is one thing, discriminating against them because of their race, or their religion, or their sexuality is another.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:32 AM

Why?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:32 AM

Calling someone a 'nigger' in real life is still racism and it's still wrong.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:32 AM

They can't change their race right?

They can't change their gender?

But they also can't change their intelligence.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:33 AM

So you believe it is ok to call someone a 'nigger' in real life?

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:34 AM

Black people do it all the time.

I wouldn't, because I don't argue with people i real life.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:34 AM

That's different, firstly it's 'nigga' and secondly they're not going to offend another person because they're also black.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:34 AM

Oh.

Nigga and nigger

totally a different thing.

And they're also black?

Why does that mean anything?

If a sperg calls another sperg a sperg

does that make him less of a sperg?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:36 AM

Because if you're, say, Jewish and I call you a 'jew' in an offensive way, then you're going to be offended if I seriously think you're a worse person because you're a Jew. But if I'm a Jew then it's pretty obvious I don't really look down on you for being a 'Jew'.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:36 AM

how is jew offensive?

It's literally what they are.

What, is saying Brit offensive?

French?

german?

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:36 AM

I said, in an 'offensive' way. If I make it clear that I despise you because your are something, then it's not factual, it's discrimination.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:37 AM

So anything can be offensive then?

Should we just ban the english language?

http://59th.phy.sx/index.php?thread-add/8/

Look, it's late.

I'm off to bed.

Make a thread there

and the communithy will discuss it.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:37 AM

Before you go.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:37 AM

I'll send you the NRP one if you want too

go on

https://sagt.nu/forum/11-general-discussion/?do=add

i'm gonna go do my set

and i'll respond when im done

will only be 5 mins

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:38 AM

I'd like to ask you one thing, do you think that the number of people who enjoy NWRP because of people being racist, denying the holocaust, being homophobic etc. is higher than the number of people who dislike this going on.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:38 AM

Yes.

And No.

As in

Most poeple don't give a shit.

only 1% of the playerbase even uses the chat.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:39 AM

I don't use chat, usually, because it's full of racism etc.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:40 AM

If you ignore the bait

then it goes away.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:40 AM

Personally, I'd be surprised if out of all the users that ever joined NWRP, there are more people who like the bigotry than dislike it.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:40 AM

well

find out by positng

what the community and admins think

you can add a poll

if you want

you can also use the discord

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:40 AM

And the ones that dislike it, are less likely to involve themselves in the community and may even leave.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:40 AM

to ask people there

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:40 AM

So it makes sense that members of the community will be the ones that are racist or don't mind the racism as much.

Pew Pew You're Dead - Today at 2:42 AM

Each game has it's own community.

CoD is full of immature kids, CSGO is full of edgy russians, etc

NW is generally enjoyed by fans of history

Fans of history are generally fans of politics.

Internet politics is all set into 2 sides:

The Alt Left and the Alt Right

Alt Left don't play video games as prolifically as the right

also alt left and right are retarded

Neither advocate for economic values

other than less/more racism

so why are they on the left/right scale

which is for economics(edited)

anyway

i'm too tired

to actually keep up a coherant convosation

as you've seen with whatever i just wrote now

since i've had to get up at 6AM and work a 10 hour day

to pay for the server that I love so much

and I hope you can look past the community

and enjoy it too.

Feel free to make a thread.

GenericSoldier - Today at 2:45 AM

Thanks for informing me about the server's position on bigotry.

 

[Emil 54]

Very elaborate answer to yes, only written rules are enforced.

[Gay_ningaja 29]

No1 cares

[Isaac 45]

1 minute ago, Gay_ningaja said:

No1 cares