Meme Admins killed the server with excessive RP

[Smyltnes 0]

I get it, it's a RP server.  But in the last couple of months admins that get on start these really specific RP scenarios that drive out players who just want to do a basic line RP.  With the basic line RP we had 100 players on quite often.  Lately there's been such inane RP scenarios as us all having to go Partizani and attack each other with melee in a pit.  Even chasing down Napoleon was better than that and that still was like "okay we'll do this for a half hour to break up the monotony."  But now it's every single time you log on you're in a town RP or something and it's just boring and appeals to like 10% of the players that used to frequent the server.  And that's what you're left with, a small group.  The best RP was the default line battle, stick with your officer, no rambo format.  It was just a light enough RP to attract the players who wanted to slay but not in the spawn spawn stab stab fashion of the Minisiege server.  Those battles are gone now and so are the players.  And I get the sense that it's the admin overreach and pleasure of lording it over the players that admins get.

 

Bring it back to basics please.

[Isaac 45]

Smyltnes I see where you are coming from, The problem is a lot of players like battle RP but get board of waiting while they have died or we get that odd time waster. But doing the same Rp over and over again gets boring for some players. We also get people complain saying they want a new Rp or they want this RP which means we have to swap it around a bit and let other players enjoy the server and rp they would like to do.

 

We do let the users votes with the polls we make and we do always include battle rp in the polls But sometimes others choose a different rp rather than battle.

 

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Those battles are gone now and so are the players

I would not say the battles has gone rather we have mixed them up so players that get board of normal battle RP can still have fun on the server, We still include the battle rp in the polls, which us admins must has inside the polls at all time. Most of the time battle rp wins but people then leave because they wanted to do Invasion or town rp ... etc.

[Gay_ningaja 29]

17 hours ago, Minisiege said:

I'm gay

Wow, minisiege being proffesional, what has nrp come to

[Chinese_Propaganda 46]

21 hours ago, Minisiege said:

We do let the users votes with the polls we make and we do always include battle rp in the polls But sometimes others choose a different rp rather than battle.

The thing is if you know how to do an RP and make it fun all is good and a vote isn't 100% necessary however when a shit admin (not naming names but I have a mental list of 3-4) it can kill the pop no matter what they do, battle or RP.

 

4 hours ago, Gay_ningaja said:

Wow, minisiege being proffesional, what has nrp come to

See gay was one of those admins that could do the shittiest RP ever and people would still love it. (Shrek RP)

 

 

please come back and save us

[Smyltnes 0]

I have literally never seen a RP other than line battle not at least dull the server; certainly it's never boosted it.  I've seen 100 players go to 20 in 20 minutes.  And numerous times I have seen an admin jump on an afternoon that was building up steam only to switch the RP WITHOUT A POLL so they can have their own fun and turn the RP into their own little game.  Now that the server averages 20 players most days the "justification" to do incessant alternative role playing (I have asked admins) is to drum up interest as there is a low player count... a low player count created by the fucking incessant alternative role playing.  I know how the server died alright.  I won't be fooled.  I've been on there too many days, watching it happen.

 

Once again, deregulate the server, leave it at battle RP or just battle, and you're server will pop again eventually.

[Chinese_Propaganda 46]

18 minutes ago, Smyltnes said:

I have literally never seen a RP other than line battle not at least dull the server; certainly it's never boosted it.  I've seen 100 players go to 20 in 20 minutes.  And numerous times I have seen an admin jump on an afternoon that was building up steam only to switch the RP WITHOUT A POLL so they can have their own fun and turn the RP into their own little game.  Now that the server averages 20 players most days the "justification" to do incessant alternative role playing (I have asked admins) is to drum up interest as there is a low player count... a low player count created by the fucking incessant alternative role playing.  I know how the server died alright.  I won't be fooled.  I've been on there too many days, watching it happen.

 

Once again, deregulate the server, leave it at battle RP or just battle, and you're server will pop again eventually.

just create an admin complaint on whoever they are then 

[JewishFairy 5]

maybe 24/7 naval server 

[Isaac 45]

2 hours ago, Smyltnes said:

I have literally never seen a RP other than line battle not at least dull the server; certainly it's never boosted it.  I've seen 100 players go to 20 in 20 minutes.  And numerous times I have seen an admin jump on an afternoon that was building up steam only to switch the RP WITHOUT A POLL so they can have their own fun and turn the RP into their own little game.  Now that the server averages 20 players most days the "justification" to do incessant alternative role playing (I have asked admins) is to drum up interest as there is a low player count... a low player count created by the fucking incessant alternative role playing.  I know how the server died alright.  I won't be fooled.  I've been on there too many days, watching it happen.

 

Once again, deregulate the server, leave it at battle RP or just battle, and you're server will pop again eventually.

The problem is, we can't just leave it at battle rp or just battle because as I said above people get board of this RP very quickly and then you get some silly people riot about not getting a new RP.

 

 

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numerous times I have seen an admin jump on an afternoon that was building up steam only to switch the RP WITHOUT A POLL

I do agree to what Chinese said report the Admin which does not tell or even does not justify. Most admins I have been on with make a poll and do include the battle rp or just normal Battle and some of the times it gets outvoted. So the problem is if people outvote the battle rp or normal battle then we must change so we don't lose the majority of the server because they did not get the vote they wanted. 

 

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Once again, deregulate the server, leave it at battle RP or just battle, and you're server will pop again eventually.

One of the main problems is not just the Rp's we do or have. It is also that we do not have enough admins that are active and want to keep the population up so we can get this user base everyone wants. So if you are active and want to help us get this server back up and active again then I encourage you to talk to @El_Presidente or even one of the Admins on discord. 

 

Discord link = https://discord.gg/Tm3Jxzj

[Smyltnes 0]

9 hours ago, Minisiege said:

The problem is, we can't just leave it at battle rp or just battle because as I said above people get board of this RP very quickly and then you get some silly people riot about not getting a new RP.

I don't recall seeing this and if it does happen you might want to consider that this a vocal minority and that a majority of the previous userbase was a non-typing set of players.  I don't recall at all anyone vocalizing boredom actively at battle RP.  What I do recall over the months is admins, perhaps themselves getting bored, and wanting more to do, forcing alt RP's all over the place and the server going from 100 to 20 miles per hour in the span of one match.  Those who want something else call for something else.  Those who want the same thing we've been doing (battle RP) call for nothing.  As for the polls, I'm still skeptical.

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I do agree to what Chinese said report the Admin which does not tell or even does not justify. Most admins I have been on with make a poll and do include the battle rp or just normal Battle and some of the times it gets outvoted. So the problem is if people outvote the battle rp or normal battle then we must change so we don't lose the majority of the server because they did not get the vote they wanted. 

Then how did the majority of the server leave?  

 

I recall, a few months back, after I spent a few weeks away, the server died, like completely.  I asked and someone said an admin or two went on a banning spree.  Others were joke answers, and other players said it was a server reset.  I'm beginning to think it was some overzealous admins forcing RP on the server and banning offenders who just wanted to battle RP.

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One of the main problems is not just the Rp's we do or have. It is also that we do not have enough admins that are active and want to keep the population up so we can get this user base everyone wants. So if you are active and want to help us get this server back up and active again then I encourage you to talk to @El_Presidente or even one of the Admins on discord. 

 

Discord link = https://discord.gg/Tm3Jxzj

Is that your explanation basically, for the server depopulation?  That admins aren't on enough?  I can't recall a day not seeing them on.

[Isaac 45]

1 hour ago, Smyltnes said:

I don't recall seeing this and if it does happen you might want to consider that this a vocal minority and that a majority of the previous userbase was a non-typing set of players.  I don't recall at all anyone vocalizing boredom actively at battle RP.  What I do recall over the months is admins, perhaps themselves getting bored, and wanting more to do, forcing alt RP's all over the place and the server going from 100 to 20 miles per hour in the span of one match.  Those who want something else call for something else.  Those who want the same thing we've been doing (battle RP) call for nothing.  As for the polls, I'm still skeptical.

I'm not quite sure when you last played on the server and what happened. I know for a fact that I have only even seen a couple of forcing RP when the userbase is Low and that is because people have voted on the polls which all admins do make before changing the RP. We even ask ingame if they still want battle RP.

 

The polls only work because it goes by the majority of the server vote on which number they have pressed. I mean yes like 5 people could still want to do battle but if the other 10 want to do another RP we go by the other 10. 

 

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Then how did the majority of the server leave?  

 

I recall, a few months back, after I spent a few weeks away, the server died, like completely.  I asked and someone said an admin or two went on a banning spree.  Others were joke answers, and other players said it was a server reset.  I'm beginning to think it was some overzealous admins forcing RP on the server and banning offenders who just wanted to battle RP.

I'm not sure if you meant that meme admin that went on a banning spree which did happen yes, But they all got unbanned and the admin was removed from his role. I still don't understand where you are coming from with this forcing RP thing?

 

 

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Is that your explanation basically, for the server depopulation?  That admins aren't on enough?  I can't recall a day not seeing them on.

This is another problem with the server population yes, When a admin is not online and 20 players are on they all start to leave because the server is unplayble with out a Admin online but when the active admins are or even just a admin then the server population starts to rise.  

 

So yes this is part of the reason why we have a depopulation but not just because of this reason. 

[Smyltnes 0]

Admins can boost the server population if they maintain line battle RP.  An admin maintaining line battle RP is better than no admin and even better than RP forcing admin.  I've seen the server die quickly after hours of high population line battle... not because the admin weren't changing it up with alternative RP, not because the users got bored with line battle, but because the admins left line battle RP without basic maintenance of map change and round capping.  It isn't because there's no admin to do alt RP scenarios, it's because there's no admin to change the map and no poll to change it and you're stuck in endless rounds on the same map and no delayer slaying etc.  

 

Glad to have confirmation that it was an admin that nuked the server the last time.  Again I'd suggest minimal administration outside of basic battle RP.  I know what is going on currently.  Prospective players log in to a 20 person server and get smacked with slays for not choosing partizani to stab napoleon or whatever.  Players just want to be free to do things.  The 20 or so core players carry on as player after player joins and leaves the overly specific constrictive role play game the 20 players are sticking around for.  The admins think that because it's a small crowd and they're sticking around for it they must like it.  Meanwhile the 80+ potential players are joining occasionally then ditching and never coming back when they realize it's a nerd server.  There's a reason the hack and slash servers are the most populated.  The NRP server as a line battle was the sweet spot between hack and slash and more specific RP.  

[Isaac 45]

8 hours ago, Smyltnes said:

Admins can boost the server population if they maintain line battle RP.  An admin maintaining line battle RP is better than no admin and even better than RP forcing admin.  I've seen the server die quickly after hours of high population line battle... not because the admin weren't changing it up with alternative RP, not because the users got bored with line battle, but because the admins left line battle RP without basic maintenance of map change and round capping.  It isn't because there's no admin to do alt RP scenarios, it's because there's no admin to change the map and no poll to change it and you're stuck in endless rounds on the same map and no delayer slaying etc.  

 

Glad to have confirmation that it was an admin that nuked the server the last time.  Again I'd suggest minimal administration outside of basic battle RP.  I know what is going on currently.  Prospective players log in to a 20 person server and get smacked with slays for not choosing partizani to stab napoleon or whatever.  Players just want to be free to do things.  The 20 or so core players carry on as player after player joins and leaves the overly specific constrictive role play game the 20 players are sticking around for.  The admins think that because it's a small crowd and they're sticking around for it they must like it.  Meanwhile the 80+ potential players are joining occasionally then ditching and never coming back when they realize it's a nerd server.  There's a reason the hack and slash servers are the most populated.  The NRP server as a line battle was the sweet spot between hack and slash and more specific RP.  

I still do not understand this RP forcing Admin thing and why you don't understand why we can't just keep battle Rp or Line Battle. 

[TichePotato 8]

9 hours ago, Smyltnes said:

Glad to have confirmation that it was an admin that nuked the server the last time. 

 

Prospective players log in to a 20 person server and get smacked with slays for not choosing partizani to stab napoleon or whatever.  

 

It was a combination of several things that are still mostly a massive issue. Most of the admins (myself included) burnt out on the game ages ago, especially for the server. It's hard to motivate yourself to go build pop for several hours, dying of boredom at doing nothing but battle, especially when you're constantly getting heckled for... well, everything. 

As well as that, simply put, the game is dying. We're getting less and less sales each sale, and although it's amazing it's lasted as long as it has, it's still an old game.

 

 

 

We have scripts that force players to go partizan, we don't slay for it anymore. This isn't 2016.

[Carlos 0]

I think the revival of the server was produced because of the update of NW and the flow of fresh players that came with it.

[Funny 2]

Isnt it boring to make only battle rp with 15 players.We must play rp's to have fun with little pop.We always do mostly battle when its +60

[Smyltnes 0]

21 hours ago, Funny said:

Isnt it boring to make only battle rp with 15 players.We must play rp's to have fun with little pop.We always do mostly battle when its +60

Catch 22.  We only do 60+ when it's battle RP.  Everyone else is driven away.  They trickle in one at a time and leave one at a time.

 

We are stuck at a few who are vote happy for alt RP.  They command the server into the ground.

[Smyltnes 0]

0 players lol RIP server.

[SacrificialLamb 8]

Im guessing you also said rip server last summer when pop went down for a bit.

 

Guess what

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It came back when people got more free time and the server was more stable

 

Most of NRP's players are in their mid to late teens or at uni, so are busy with exams right now. When those are over it'll be back to normal soon.

 

Having said that, its good that if you feel admins are doing something wrong, you try to point it out. That is one of the purposes of this forum.

 

I take your point about non-battle rps, but like you said, some other rps need to be done to break to monotony. I personally try to keep it to battle, non-battle, battle etc. with votes of course (although exams mean I haven't been on the server much).

 

If you do feel some admins are killing it tho, point out what happened specifically so we can discuss and the HA can decide whether it was correct or not, not just 'admins are killing the server with non-battle rps,' or 'do this and the pop will go up.' Admins do make mistakes (we are humans I promise), and with the core of the experienced admins busy or retired, there's no one to tell newmins if they made one. 

 

Those newmins stood up when asked, and do it out of love for the server. They're not paid etc., they admin because they want to help. In turn, help them be better by pointing out specific events you feel they did wrong, rather than a general bollocking about how bad they are. 

 

Its been a slow couple of weeks but we've had this happen to the server soooooo many times before. The core of NRP remains the same. The population remains interested, even if occupied elsewhere. Keep checking in and just like last summer, when everyone and their mother was saying NRP ded, the pop will be back when peeps have more free time on their hands.

EDIT: 1 month later and guess what, we're getting 100+ everyday again.

[Smyltnes 0]

Here's some evidence of admin abuse, gaming the polls so they can lord it over the players in their role plays.  Admin puts up a poll, obviously the players want to battle RP but SURPRISE AGAIN... RP passes.  Same story over and over.  Admins forcing RP.

[Smyltnes 0]

Server just lost like 1/3 of its players because of the vote too.

[Predator 17]

First of all hello Smyltnes 

I did poll to diverdify the Rp a bit, i agree we were somewhat short of players for cav vs inf but the poll was accepted either way my friend so you're saying i should put battle rp anyway... whatever. If you think your superior to those who don't use the chat and instead give their vote that's your thing.

I know its really easy to complain about little mistakes the admins do and i dont excpect players to be thankful for anything we do but your complaining is really too much (you only posted complaints about the server), sadly you hit me on a bad day my friend. I will probably edit this post tomorrow with a more level headed approach as it might is a little too salty. 

[Smyltnes 0]

Diversify?  We just began battle RP after line RP preceded by hostage RP preceded by cav RP.  Every time there's a admin on simple battle RP is more the exception and after that "poll" I'm not convinced they are legitimate but I don't know what polls look like behind the scenes.  Regardless, the server went from 40 pop to less than 10 players (as of this post's typing) in approximately 20 minutes.  Same ol story.  Players came for the battle RP and left when the cav RPs got old.  They probably went to minisiege for some action.

[Predator 17]

But you do actually know that we were 40 players the whole evening because there was actually an admin online? and we were steady atlittle lower than 40 during the rp - so we stayed the same, so please stop spreading lies. The second part that now are only 10 players online is because i left after i put Battle Rp up (with 30-40 players) so please tone down your accusations. i really cant stand disrespectful people like you who spread missinformations and are negative all the time.

[SacrificialLamb 8]

What are you on about? How can admins even rig a poll? I think you've gotten very confused about how a poll works. We put in the poll, everyone gets a Press 1 to accept and 2 to reject thing. Once everyone does that, the poll is finished. What people write in chat isn't a factor as all. We want everyone to contribute not just the vocal minority. After everyone presses 1 or 2 or a timer runs out (not sure what the timer is, 1 minute?), the server tells us whether we got more 1s (poll is accepted) or 2 (poll is rejected). You do realise after a vote goes in, admin sees exactly what a player sees right? That is, nothing, until we're told vote is accepted or rejected at the same time a player is told? So on what basis are you claiming we rig the poll?

'The people' wanted cav vs inf Smyltnes, that won the vote. You yourself wanted battle and lost the vote. Don't then try to somehow claim 'the people' wanted battle. Aside from this, we've had literally 100+ pretty much everyday for a while now. Admins, along with the players help, did this. 1 or 2 off days in 2 weeks really is pretty normal. I've seen pop drop from pretty much every single RP. The main reason behind today's drop I believe was that it was a slow day in comparison to the usual 100+ days, so once we hit around 9pm-ish (our usual peak time), it was clear we weren't gonna get 100+ for once so people left.

 

Your comment of 'same old story' clearly shows to me that either your logic is twisted, or you haven't been on the server much recently, otherwise you'll know we've had 100+ pretty much everyday apart from on sunday (all admins were busy and didn't get on till very late, about 8pm-ish, and we take responsibility for that) and today. Go on the discord and ask some of the regulars who've been on much recently. They'll tell you the same.

 

I'd also like to reiterate that Battle rp is by far our most popular and prioritized rp. The map this vote was done in was Battle rp. It is also the ONLY RP we put on without a vote (every other RPs can only be put on by winning a vote), and EVERY vote is required to have battle as an option.
 

Other threads on here have suggested we do this or that RP or make this or that changes and I have always always encourage that, even when I disagree with the idea itself. If you like battle rp, then sure, tell us so, but don't go around spreading lies about how admins are using some black magic to rig the vote.

Regardless, I hope you still enjoy our server and that we'll still see you around.

[Gio 4]

There will always be people leaving after a poll when the other side doesn't get what they voted for. You can't just bitch on the forums telling admins they're killing the pop. We're okay with taking criticism but when people like you do nothing more than being negative makes us frustrated. We admin on the server so that everyone can have a good time.

 

Polls are there to determine what people want. The majority didn't want battle at that time and chose for cav vs cav. If we had put battle instead, that would have caused us even more people leaving right?