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[Scandypandy 78]

Any well informed Turks or otherwise who can educate me on how Turkey came to be? Why did they do away with the whole Ottoman thing?

[Dimitry 49]

The ottoman Empire had been declining for centuries. With the disastrous Austrian Ottoman War of the 17th century where Hungary was retaken by the Hasburgs the Empire was left with no new ways of expansion. One by one the Balkan nations gained their independence (#First) and they stated harassing it. This all led to the First Balkan  War where the ottomans where almost entirely pushed out of Europe. This coupled with the disaster that was the Great War, where it lost almost all of its territories in the South West, sealed the fate of the Empire. It got dismantled by the turks, the only culture still residing in the Empire when Greece declared war to enforce the Versailles treaty. 

 

In short the only change that came with this was that the government changed from a monarchy to a republic and it gained a nationalistic and secular point of view in politics. 

[Lexxe 10]

Young Turks.

 

Also fun fact; only 90% of Turkeys population is of Turkish genetic heritage. Most are of Greek heritage, but have assumed Turkish dominance and become effective loser slaves.

[Scandypandy 78]

6 minutes ago, Dimitry said:

The ottoman Empire had been declining for centuries. With the disastrous Austrian Ottoman War of the 17th century where Hungary was retaken by the Hasburgs the Empire was left with no new ways of expansion. One by one the Balkan nations gained their independence (#First) and they stated harassing it. This all led to the First Balkan  War where the ottomans where almost entirely pushed out of Europe. This coupled with the disaster that was the Great War, where it lost almost all of its territories in the South West, sealed the fate of the Empire. It got dismantled by the turks, the only culture still residing in the Empire when Greece declared war to enforce the Versailles treaty. 

 

In short the only change that came with this was that the government changed from a monarchy to a republic and it gained a nationalistic and secular point of view in politics. 

I'm going to sound like a brainlet, but I know nothing about it. When you say "dismantled by the turks" what do you mean? What group/nationality/people were responsible for the dismantling and reorganising-was it the people who were originally in charge?

[Greybeard 2]

The person responsible for the change was Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his ideology known as Kemalism.

 

It's a sort of controversial topic, since the "Turkish War of Independence" also resulted in a population exchange between Turkey and Greece, as well as Armenian Genocide.

[Alpha 3]

Ottomans were collapsing since they lost a great battle against Austrians in 17th century. There were plenty of reasons of the collapse, but the main reason was that Ottomans couldn't follow Europe's innovations and they didn't do so much reforms to improve the country. The main barrier against the reforms was obviously religion, zealots always rebelled against reforms when some Sultans tried to do them. Also there are some other reasons like not making colonization in the new lands. Also the French Revolution rised nationalism in all over the world so foreigners in Ottoman lands started to revolt for their independence.

[Dimitry 49]

34 minutes ago, ✪ SCANDYPANDY ✪ said:

I'm going to sound like a brainlet, but I know nothing about it. When you say "dismantled by the turks" what do you mean? What group/nationality/people were responsible for the dismantling and reorganising-was it the people who were originally in charge?

Mustafa led a coup  supported by the Young Turks movement and deposed the Sultan, proclaiming the birth of the Turkish Republic. 

[Alpha 3]

22 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

The person responsible for the change was Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his ideology known as Kemalism.

 

It's a sort of controversial topic, since the "Turkish War of Independence" also resulted in a population exchange between Turkey and Greece, as well as Armenian Genocide.

Mustafa Kemal didn't make genocide against Armenians, that was Enver Pasha and "Young Turks" which were the government of the Ottoman Empire during WW1. Armenian Genocide didn't happen during the war of independence. It happened in WW1.

 

15 minutes ago, Dimitry said:

Mustafa led a coup  supported by the Young Turks movement and deposed the Sultan, proclaiming the birth of the Turkish Republic. 

Well, the Young Turks and Mustafa Kemal became enemies after WW1, and Mustafa Kemal deposed the Sultan with his own crew and Turkish people.

[Greybeard 2]

16 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Mustafa Kemal didn't make genocide against Armenians, that was Enver Pasha and "Young Turks" which were the government of the Ottoman Empire during WW1. Armenian Genocide didn't happen during the war of independence. It happened in WW1.

 

Look. I already said it's a controversial topic, especially among you Turks.

It began in WW1 under the Ottomans and most happened there, but to a certain degree it continued unter the Republic of Turkey during the Turkish-Armenian War, which was part of the Turkish War of Independence. I mean it was a chaotic time, with the Allies and Greeks invading and one might attribute the large number of civilian deaths to that fact, but still it's generally accepted outside Turkey, that the Armenian Genocide was also part of the early days of the Republic of Turkey.

 

[Dimitry 49]

Sorry for the Young Turks mistake, I don't know that much about Turkish politics at that time period. 

 

Also there is a lot of evidence pointing to the Armenian Genocide happening,  but I won't pretend to know which party did it. 

 

18 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

I mean it was a chaotic time, with the Allies and Greeks invading

The Allies didn't invade with us. We only had limited diplomatic support from Britain but that's it. Hence why we lost so badly... 

[Alpha 3]

1 hour ago, Politik Komissar KobaTimur said:

Watch Payitaht.

Payitaht is a bullshit Islamist propaganda that is funded by Erdogan and his government. Watch "Vatanım Sensin" instead of it.