History How to understand history ?

[gokibouri 6]

Usually, when we talk about history and all what is around it, we usually see there are things that arent understood by the people. As a regular player of NRP I see there are many discussions about history and even if 99 fucking percent is about trolling, I already managed to have really interessant discuss. So first of all, i would like to thanks Scandypandy for making this section, there we can see how much cultivated the NRP community is, and I pretty sure there is a great potential.

 

So, as we are here to talk about history, I would like to share all my reflexions i got about it during these last years with the help of my studies in French university. So these things are discutable, the debate is something that i do research and i encourage you to destroy my ideas, with the best logic possible. Cause Plurality makes us closer to truth.

 

First of all, it will be important to say that I do study in French university. Its really important to say that cause there are a lot of differences between countries historiographies (History studying). I'll take a first example really easy to understand but that we usually dont notice about. We can take a simple date, lets take 1492. A date really well known because we know that was the date when Critobal Colon did found new lands on west. For Europe, this is a really important date and we consider it makes changing history from Middle Ages to modern era, and I do talk about French History periodisation. I use 1492 because it is a really important date for Europe, and especially for western europe. But it is an important date for China today for example ? No because it changed nothing about their history. So here we can see that there is not only one time nor one place in history.

 

So we see here that history is different in term of places, but also in term of social realities.

To explain it, i'll continue with this date, 1492. Is 1492 a really important date for the local peasant that lives in the deepest yorkshire ? No, for him, nothing changed from 1491 to 1493. Even for Cristobal Colon, nothing really changed, he didnt understood he discovered a continent. This is really an important date for our modern vision. It means, that realities in history are really differents and we need to understand it. For it i made a graphic that, i hope, will help you to understand.

 

 

 

Here you can see, for a peasant, nothing really changed from the Middle Ages until the beginning of industrialisation at the end of 1700's in Great Britain. And with the peasants, I talk about 90% of the european population. Cause yes i talked about european population, just imagine if i tried to make the same graphic with the world population, including Chinese and Japanese populations. It would have been really different and not really interessant, cause these populations always had a great difference in term of culture.

 

I personnaly love history because it forces us to try to take place in other's realities. How to be able to learn about Chinese peasantry if we cant take place in the reality that these people lived ? More polémical : How to be able to understand the history of women's rights without being able to take place in the body of a ultra sexist man ? If you want to really understand history, you first need to understand that our epoca isnt the best, and that there are not. So we cant juge how we though in all history. An historian haves to be tolerant, cause history would be more incomplete if we refuse to considérate all the peoples that lived.

 

The last idea I would like to share, its the idea that history isnt made by the people who lived the other epocas. History is made by historians and only historians. Looks strange, but its logic. Ask yourself : "How much things I know about our time ?" You probably can say a lot of thing about our world today but not all the things. Historians in 100-200 years will do know a lot better our world than we do today, since they have a global vision of the situation, even if they have less sources than we have.

 

The avantage of historans is that they can use a lot of realities, when we do use our only reality to understand this world. Historians are supposed to be neutral, supposed to have a vision of ancient realities close to facts and only fact. So Historians are able to judge with efficiency how sources are. Sources are sometimes somethings wrote by contemporary people of this period to give an idea of how was the world at this time.

 

But usually these people werent really neutral, so it can happens that some testimonies become contradictory to each others, here is the most important job of an historian : Taking the realities, and finding the facts, and only the facts.

 

I hope guys you understood my ideas, and if you have any critics and any  ideas to share, then go on, i'm here for this I think it can be benefical for us all.

 

[Pew Pew You're Dead 39]

comparing all of european history is retarded cos different stuff happened in different countries at different times

 

[gokibouri 6]

Can you specify where i did it ? maybe you didnt understood a part of what i said, quote it.

[gokibouri 6]

But i think i understand what you said. And i would say that i didnt wanted to make all european histories being the same, yes there are differences between a scottish peasant and a andalusian one (especially in 1500's, when andalusian profites of New worlds gold and all that). But in my opinion, we need to consider that countries didnt avanced in history alone, all countries were open or closed to others, but it didnt changed the fact that each country got influenced by others. 

[goose 0]

When you make a history discussion and a day later they make a history section

[Isaac 45]

5 hours ago, gokibouri said:

Usually, when we talk about history and all what is around it, we usually see there are things that arent understood by the people. As a regular player of NRP I see there are many discussions about history and even if 99 fucking percent is about trolling, I already managed to have really interessant discuss. So first of all, i would like to thanks Scandypandy for making this section, there we can see how much cultivated the NRP community is, and I pretty sure there is a great potential.

 

So, as we are here to talk about history, I would like to share all my reflexions i got about it during these last years with the help of my studies in French university. So these things are discutable, the debate is something that i do research and i encourage you to destroy my ideas, with the best logic possible. Cause Plurality makes us closer to truth.

 

First of all, it will be important to say that I do study in French university. Its really important to say that cause there are a lot of differences between countries historiographies (History studying). I'll take a first example really easy to understand but that we usually dont notice about. We can take a simple date, lets take 1492. A date really well known because we know that was the date when Critobal Colon did found new lands on west. For Europe, this is a really important date and we consider it makes changing history from Middle Ages to modern era, and I do talk about French History periodisation. I use 1492 because it is a really important date for Europe, and especially for western europe. But it is an important date for China today for example ? No because it changed nothing about their history. So here we can see that there is not only one time nor one place in history.

 

So we see here that history is different in term of places, but also in term of social realities.

To explain it, i'll continue with this date, 1492. Is 1492 a really important date for the local peasant that lives in the deepest yorkshire ? No, for him, nothing changed from 1491 to 1493. Even for Cristobal Colon, nothing really changed, he didnt understood he discovered a continent. This is really an important date for our modern vision. It means, that realities in history are really differents and we need to understand it. For it i made a graphic that, i hope, will help you to understand.

 

 

 

Here you can see, for a peasant, nothing really changed from the Middle Ages until the beginning of industrialisation at the end of 1700's in Great Britain. And with the peasants, I talk about 90% of the european population. Cause yes i talked about european population, just imagine if i tried to make the same graphic with the world population, including Chinese and Japanese populations. It would have been really different and not really interessant, cause these populations always had a great difference in term of culture.

 

I personnaly love history because it forces us to try to take place in other's realities. How to be able to learn about Chinese peasantry if we cant take place in the reality that these people lived ? More polémical : How to be able to understand the history of women's rights without being able to take place in the body of a ultra sexist man ? If you want to really understand history, you first need to understand that our epoca isnt the best, and that there are not. So we cant juge how we though in all history. An historian haves to be tolerant, cause history would be more incomplete if we refuse to considérate all the peoples that lived.

 

The last idea I would like to share, its the idea that history isnt made by the people who lived the other epocas. History is made by historians and only historians. Looks strange, but its logic. Ask yourself : "How much things I know about our time ?" You probably can say a lot of thing about our world today but not all the things. Historians in 100-200 years will do know a lot better our world than we do today, since they have a global vision of the situation, even if they have less sources than we have.

 

The avantage of historans is that they can use a lot of realities, when we do use our only reality to understand this world. Historians are supposed to be neutral, supposed to have a vision of ancient realities close to facts and only fact. So Historians are able to judge with efficiency how sources are. Sources are sometimes somethings wrote by contemporary people of this period to give an idea of how was the world at this time.

 

But usually these people werent really neutral, so it can happens that some testimonies become contradictory to each others, here is the most important job of an historian : Taking the realities, and finding the facts, and only the facts.

 

I hope guys you understood my ideas, and if you have any critics and any  ideas to share, then go on, i'm here for this I think it can be benefical for us all.

 

thank you for this little guild. But I would like a step by step on how I understand history. 

[gokibouri 6]

I didnt wrote it to be a guide, more to be an anarchic place were i share my ideas and where you can do so.

[gokibouri 6]

15 hours ago, goose said:

When you make a history discussion and a day later they make a history section

Actually i wrote it after the creation of this section

[goose 0]

No I’m talking about a discussion I made lel. It was a history discussion and a day later Scandy made the history section

[gokibouri 6]

Ah okay, sorry you are actually capable of divination. Long live emperor and supreme moral leader Goose

[goose 0]

Heil thicc Daddi